Comments on: Will Grace Win? http://www.christianbusinessdaily.com/874/will-grace-win.htm The Definitive Guide For Christian Business Owners Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:32:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John R. Bartoszewicz http://www.christianbusinessdaily.com/874/will-grace-win.htm/comment-page-1#comment-98 John R. Bartoszewicz Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:28:42 +0000 http://www.christianbusinessdaily.com/?p=874#comment-98 Well thought out blog and response Matt. I have been thinking alot about the meaning of Grace lately myself. I do understand that I can't earn my favor, that is my righteousness is as filthy rags, and yet at the same time I'm and inherited son with full access to the throne. Like you and so many others I know, I don't want any more methodologies or formulas or better yet theologies. I just want Him and I want the pepole around me to want and know Him. That's how I see Grace. Well thought out blog and response Matt. I have been thinking alot about the meaning of Grace lately myself. I do understand that I can’t earn my favor, that is my righteousness is as filthy rags, and yet at the same time I’m and inherited son with full access to the throne.

Like you and so many others I know, I don’t want any more methodologies or formulas or better yet theologies. I just want Him and I want the pepole around me to want and know Him. That’s how I see Grace.

]]> By: Matthew Gillogly http://www.christianbusinessdaily.com/874/will-grace-win.htm/comment-page-1#comment-97 Matthew Gillogly Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:34:41 +0000 http://www.christianbusinessdaily.com/?p=874#comment-97 Carter, thanks for your post. Always refreshing to engage others in this conversation. For the record, I don't have a distain for Bible study or for those who participate in Bible study. What I have a huge distain for is the over riding belief that it's the only way to get to know God. Each one of us on a deeply personal journey that God meets each one of us in that journey and walks along side of us. I like seeing how grace plays out in lives. How does grace play out in an African village destroyed by genocide, or in a home where the daughter gets into drugs and prostitution, or how the prisoner at Angola Prison in Louisiana comes to know God's grace and lives it out in the prison yard. (He didn't come to know Christ through a Bible study, but through someone exhibiting unconditional love, even though he was in solitary confinement for 15 years.) And yes, how does grace, God's grace, his true gift to us, play out at a seaside cafe with people who have their own junk? I'm not really interested in formulas or methodologies. I'm interested in relationships that are willing to share the junk and stand with each other in it. That's what a book like Bo's Cafe or The Shack have done for me personally. They don't replace my reading of the word, but they help me see the practical application of living out the fathers love for me and how Jesus wants all of us to love our neighbors as ourselves. Thank you SO much for sharing. Love, Matt Carter, thanks for your post. Always refreshing to engage others in this conversation. For the record, I don’t have a distain for Bible study or for those who participate in Bible study. What I have a huge distain for is the over riding belief that it’s the only way to get to know God. Each one of us on a deeply personal journey that God meets each one of us in that journey and walks along side of us.

I like seeing how grace plays out in lives. How does grace play out in an African village destroyed by genocide, or in a home where the daughter gets into drugs and prostitution, or how the prisoner at Angola Prison in Louisiana comes to know God’s grace and lives it out in the prison yard. (He didn’t come to know Christ through a Bible study, but through someone exhibiting unconditional love, even though he was in solitary confinement for 15 years.)

And yes, how does grace, God’s grace, his true gift to us, play out at a seaside cafe with people who have their own junk? I’m not really interested in formulas or methodologies. I’m interested in relationships that are willing to share the junk and stand with each other in it.

That’s what a book like Bo’s Cafe or The Shack have done for me personally. They don’t replace my reading of the word, but they help me see the practical application of living out the fathers love for me and how Jesus wants all of us to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Thank you SO much for sharing.

Love, Matt

]]> By: Carter L. Frank http://www.christianbusinessdaily.com/874/will-grace-win.htm/comment-page-1#comment-96 Carter L. Frank Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:54:51 +0000 http://www.christianbusinessdaily.com/?p=874#comment-96 It is a little disturbing to read about your disdain for those who feel Bible studies are a normal part of the Christian life. If you (and I mean you personally) are not in God's Word on a regular basis, then you will always be a spiritually weak and anemic Christian. Sorry, but Bo's Cafe and the Shack are going to cut it when it comes to knowing God. So you might want to rethink your approach to knowing God. Grace does win but the Bible is the only legitimate source of information on how the story plays out. It is a little disturbing to read about your disdain for those who feel Bible studies are a normal part of the Christian life. If you (and I mean you personally) are not in God’s Word on a regular basis, then you will always be a spiritually weak and anemic Christian.

Sorry, but Bo’s Cafe and the Shack are going to cut it when it comes to knowing God. So you might want to rethink your approach to knowing God.

Grace does win but the Bible is the only legitimate source of information on how the story plays out.

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